Disgusted with the Biden administration

posted by ptown_trojans_1

I did. Any changes to the current immigration laws are not going to get any support from the Republicans in the Senate. 

So, the changes you suggested are not going to happen any time soon.

You really don't remember all the immigration debates the last 15 years? 

You immediately blame Rs for immigration issues, which is hilarious for a “middle of the road” guy.

Let me ask you this, you really believe the Ds would be all for the “no welfare programs at all for 12 months” part? Come on, your leftist buddies would cry racism immediately.

Also, if you believe conservatives would be against legal immigration based around employable and proof of financial means you truly are laughable right now.

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

If you don’t tie your entire self-worth and worldview into who happens to be occupying the Oval Office that very second, you wouldn’t see it that way.  I know you see every occurrence in the world is directly caused or affected by the POTUS (unless “bad” happens when Trump there and “good” happens when a democrat is there).  

You are immeasurably more wrapped up in what I post than what you think I am wrapped up in with respect to who is in the WH. 

Stay calm and work hard today.  

posted by QuakerOats

You are immeasurably more wrapped up in what I post than what you think I am wrapped up in with respect to who is in the WH. 

Stay calm and work hard today.  

I don't respond to most of your posts.  But it's a forum with only a few people on it, so why not.  I respond to other posters too.  

Superman apparently hates me too.  So there's that.

Hilarious that Biden is now trying to position this as "gas prices are skyrocketing due to Putin" to try to help the Dems out in the November midterms and pose this as "inflation vs tyranny." The gas price issue has been going on long before Putin invaded Ukraine.

posted by ptown_trojans_1

I did. Any changes to the current immigration laws are not going to get any support from the Republicans in the Senate. 

So, the changes you suggested are not going to happen any time soon.

You really don't remember all the immigration debates the last 15 years? 

It has been said a million times.  Close the border and then lets deal with it.  We do have a pathway to citizenship.  There are laws on the books that allow for immigration legally.  Nobody is following the current laws, why add more if the Dems arent willing to stop illegal immigration

posted by BR1986FB

Hilarious that Biden is now trying to position this as "gas prices are skyrocketing due to Putin" to try to help the Dems out in the November midterms and pose this as "inflation vs tyranny." The gas price issue has been going on long before Putin invaded Ukraine.

Several of the analysts I've read have all said Biden's policies will impact oil in the coming years.

Been sad watching the normally reliable Fox News folks that are actual journalists/reporters spin Biden's spin.  They make fair points that not all the leases and permits are viable, but gloss over the very real fact that there was plenty of capacity planned and in development that was going to take a few years to dry up.

Also, if Biden had come in on Day 1 and auctioned off everything he could, we'd still be months (years when talking offshore) away from any of those leases producing oil.

You'd almost have better luck making the opposite case, because companies accelerated plans and production in anticipation of a tougher operating environment under Biden.  Sort of a "get it while the getting's good".

posted by jmog

You immediately blame Rs for immigration issues, which is hilarious for a “middle of the road” guy.

Let me ask you this, you really believe the Ds would be all for the “no welfare programs at all for 12 months” part? Come on, your leftist buddies would cry racism immediately.

Also, if you believe conservatives would be against legal immigration based around employable and proof of financial means you truly are laughable right now.

I'm going by the last 15 years, going back to the failed Bush Comprehensive Immigration Reform.

Any discussion to reform would get blocked by Senate Republicans. Any moderate proposal by a republican, like Rubio or Portman, would get shot down by other Republicans in the Senate. Portman has said so much over the last year and expressed it was one of the reasons he is leaving. 

I don't know how far Ds would go on immigration reform. But, I do know Cruz, Cotton, and others are going to block nearly everything that Ds support for immigration. 

Last year, the Senate did increase the cap of merit based applications, which is great. So, there is a template, but dumb laws like the RAISE act is the current Republican platform.

I think some aspects of what you are calling for, along with beefing up immigration judges, application officials, and streamlining the process could get bipartisan support. But, I doubt we see it, because Republicans in the Senate prefer the status quo.

Republicans do not support the status quo of hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants busting into the country.  

Be well.  

posted by QuakerOats

Republicans do not support the status quo of hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants busting into the country.  

Be well.  

Again, 15 years of failed reforms suggest otherwise. 

Republicans love to run on it, yet suck at actually making reforms possible. 

posted by QuakerOats

Republicans do not support the status quo of hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants busting into the country.  

Be well.  

Immigrants, who entered this country the right way, do not support it either. Pisses a lot of them off.

posted by ptown_trojans_1

I'm going by the last 15 years, going back to the failed Bush Comprehensive Immigration Reform.

Any discussion to reform would get blocked by Senate Republicans. Any moderate proposal by a republican, like Rubio or Portman, would get shot down by other Republicans in the Senate. Portman has said so much over the last year and expressed it was one of the reasons he is leaving. 

I don't know how far Ds would go on immigration reform. But, I do know Cruz, Cotton, and others are going to block nearly everything that Ds support for immigration. 

Last year, the Senate did increase the cap of merit based applications, which is great. So, there is a template, but dumb laws like the RAISE act is the current Republican platform.

I think some aspects of what you are calling for, along with beefing up immigration judges, application officials, and streamlining the process could get bipartisan support. But, I doubt we see it, because Republicans in the Senate prefer the status quo.

You know the truth to his question and statement (below) and thus why you avoid giving it a straight answer.

“ Let me ask you this, you really believe the Ds would be all for the “no welfare programs at all for 12 months” part? Come on, your leftist buddies would cry racism immediately. “

posted by like_that

You know the truth to his question and statement (below) and thus why you avoid giving it a straight answer.

“ Let me ask you this, you really believe the Ds would be all for the “no welfare programs at all for 12 months” part? Come on, your leftist buddies would cry racism immediately. “

In the House, the liberal Ds would raise hell, but would fall in line as they usually do. They views are insane and the minority, thus would fall in the face of actual reform. 

 But, in the Senate, if it did include adding more immigration judges, increasing DHS application officials, and streamlining the process, I think so. 

It's the give and take right? The give is a complete overall of the system and process, but the take is you add more judges and officials to process the backlog and new applications. 

Any agreement would also have to tackle DACA and the illegals here. 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

In the House, the liberal Ds would raise hell, but would fall in line as they usually do. They views are insane and the minority, thus would fall in the face of actual reform. 

 But, in the Senate, if it did include adding more immigration judges, increasing DHS application officials, and streamlining the process, I think so. 

It's the give and take right? The give is a complete overall of the system and process, but the take is you add more judges and officials to process the backlog and new applications. 

Any agreement would also have to tackle DACA and the illegals here. 

Give and take indeed.  So, you do agree that the gridlock on immigration is bipartisan?

posted by like_that

Give and take indeed.  So, you do agree that the gridlock on immigration is bipartisan?

I would say the Republicans in the Senate have done more to stop or prevent more efforts to reform than the Democrats. Again, looking back over the last 15 years. 

Each major effort failed because of lack of Republican support in the Senate. 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

I would say the Republicans in the Senate have done more to stop or prevent more efforts to reform than the Democrats. 

I don't think either side has any interest in making real progress on the issue.  The Dems could have done a lot more those first two years of Obama's term when they had a near supermajority.

The reality is it's a wedge issue, and both sides love to rant on that because they get to make emotional appeals, blame the other side, and offer no real solutions.  Same with guns, abortion and climate change/oil.

posted by ptown_trojans_1

I'm going by the last 15 years, going back to the failed Bush Comprehensive Immigration Reform.

Any discussion to reform would get blocked by Senate Republicans. Any moderate proposal by a republican, like Rubio or Portman, would get shot down by other Republicans in the Senate. Portman has said so much over the last year and expressed it was one of the reasons he is leaving. 

I don't know how far Ds would go on immigration reform. But, I do know Cruz, Cotton, and others are going to block nearly everything that Ds support for immigration. 

Last year, the Senate did increase the cap of merit based applications, which is great. So, there is a template, but dumb laws like the RAISE act is the current Republican platform.

I think some aspects of what you are calling for, along with beefing up immigration judges, application officials, and streamlining the process could get bipartisan support. But, I doubt we see it, because Republicans in the Senate prefer the status quo.

So your stated stance is that Rs are against legal immigration based on merit (which is what I said) and Ds are for it while not just letting everyone in?

I just want to make sure what you are arguing before laughing at the statement.

I have yet to hear an R come out against anything close to a merit based immigration system and legal immigration. They are against complete amnesty for illegals and even the most conservative are against those currently here getting to jump to the front of the “line” which usually is the first step in the D’s plan.

posted by ptown_trojans_1

In the House, the liberal Ds would raise hell, but would fall in line as they usually do. They views are insane and the minority, thus would fall in the face of actual reform. 

 But, in the Senate, if it did include adding more immigration judges, increasing DHS application officials, and streamlining the process, I think so. 

It's the give and take right? The give is a complete overall of the system and process, but the take is you add more judges and officials to process the backlog and new applications. 

Any agreement would also have to tackle DACA and the illegals here. 

You do not live in reality, I am now convinced. Not a chance in Hell the Ds would get behind “no welfare at all for a year” no matter what the deal is.

I hope you are joking  because if not your “middle of the road” monicker is failing again.

posted by ptown_trojans_1

I would say the Republicans in the Senate have done more to stop or prevent more efforts to reform than the Democrats. Again, looking back over the last 15 years. 

Each major effort failed because of lack of Republican support in the Senate. 

Even if what you said was close to true it’s due to the Ds lack of budging at all on closing the border. You can’t deal with the illegal immigrants that are currently hear properly until you halt the flow of illegals drastically first.

The Ds have always required forms of amnesty FIRST before willing to talk about shutting down illegal immigration.

The fact that you put the blame solely on one side shows again you are no where near “middle of the road”

posted by gut

I don't think either side has any interest in making real progress on the issue.  The Dems could have done a lot more those first two years of Obama's term when they had a near supermajority.

The reality is it's a wedge issue, and both sides love to rant on that because they get to make emotional appeals, blame the other side, and offer no real solutions.  Same with guns, abortion and climate change/oil.

Yes

posted by jmog

To be fair, when you come here, specifically illegally, you are almost twice as likely to be on welfare than if you are a citizen.

About 35% of citizens use some form of welfare program while 63% of non-citizens do.  I don't believe those here on H1 work visas are taking that percentage up so it has to be those coming here by other means.

The "old" way of immigration for not only the US but Canada also (friend of mine who immigrated from Russia after the fall of the USSR to Canada spelled this out for me) was that you had to prove you could provide for yourself and you would be ineligible for ANY social welfare programs for 12 months after you arrived in Canada. 

If that was still the case, accept all/most workers that want to come here and provide for themselves yet deter those coming here for the safety net.

So no welfare, no food stamps, no Section 8 housing, etc for 12 months after you arrive and you have to prove before you arrive that you have the ability to provide for yourself.

My friend immigrated in the 80s when communism fell and that's how it was then, even for "liberal" Canada, why can't we have something similar. Literally accept most everyone that can prove they have a skill and can provide for themselves with the understanding they can not rely on welfare for a year.

Illegal immigrants can get welfare?