posted by geeblockWhen Jesse Jackson or Al sharptons name get brought up here, or anywhere really, they get the same treatment that the left gives tim scott. Stop crying with all the fake outrage.
Comparing Tim Scott to those race hustlers is quite the take.
You’re also going far out of your way to excuse the term Uncle Tom. (Whether said by a black or white person).
LOL at geeblock blacksplaining "uncle tom"
posted by iclfan2Comparing Tim Scott to those race hustlers is quite the take.
You’re also going far out of your way to excuse the term Uncle Tom. (Whether said by a black or white person).
Well I’m just using the example given here.. how do you know they don’t believe what they say? Because you disagree with them they are race hustlers? How is that different than what they say about tim scott except you might agree with him? How is “race hustlers” better than Uncle Tom?
As far as Uncle Tom I don’t have to go too far to defend it, I think it has its place to be used.
posted by gutLOL at geeblock blacksplaining "uncle tom"
Sorry, white people outraged by the word Uncle Tom doesn’t make sense to me unless you are just searching foe something to be outraged about
posted by geeblockLol I wasn’t literally saying he said those words so idk if it came off that way. Not sure why you even think that was an important part of everything I said. Or why you are still arguing about it after I said that’s not what I meant. U actually can’t have a normal conversation without trying to find some argument to have or find a gotcha moment. This ain’t it.
As far as people calling him an Uncle Tom, that’s really not my business to tell them how to feel. I didn’t call him one. You probably have to be black to even understand the nuances of the words.
The GOP optic is worse than any optic I have towards him personally. I do think they used him and I don’t think it changed anyone’s belief on either side. He seems like a good guy so I hope they don’t use him and toss him to the side when they don’t need him anymore.
Lol u get so mad when people call you racist but love to call others racist. When Jesse Jackson or Al sharptons name get brought up here, or anywhere really, they get the same treatment that the left gives tim scott. Stop crying with all the fake outrage.
1. Always easy to say "that's not what I meant" once you realize you were wrong.
2. So only a black person can understand what "Uncle Tom" means? Come on geeblock, you can do better than that.
3. My "that's rather racist of you..." was rather tongue in cheek as you are a black man and so is Tim Scott. Unless you thought I meant that you hate black people?
posted by geeblockWell I’m just using the example given here.. how do you know they don’t believe what they say? Because you disagree with them they are race hustlers? How is that different than what they say about tim scott except you might agree with him? How is “race hustlers” better than Uncle Tom?
As far as Uncle Tom I don’t have to go too far to defend it, I think it has its place to be used.
By your logic then so does the "n" word then. It has its placed to be used...See how stupid that sounds?
posted by jmogBy your logic then so does the "n" word then. It has its placed to be used...See how stupid that sounds?
The fact you typed out Uncle Tom and then did not type out the n word shows that you don’t even think they are the same.
But amongst certain people the n word yes it does have its place
posted by geeblockThe fact you typed out Uncle Tom and then did not type out the n word shows that you don’t even think they are the same.
But amongst certain people the n word yes it does have its place
I won’t type it out due to respect of others and their reaction to it.
I believe Uncle Tom is basically as bad as the N word.
"guys, guys....eventhough I've said it 20 times myself, just letting you know uncle tom is as bad as the n-word"
also geeblock: "if you don't want to be called an uncle tom, don't act like one"
posted by gut"guys, guys....eventhough I've said it 20 times myself, just letting you know uncle tom is as bad as the n-word"
also geeblock: "if you don't want to be called an uncle tom, don't act like one"
can you read? I said clearly its not the same as unlce tom... the fact that you can type out unlcle tom but cant type out the N word tells you that, is what i said. I also never called him an unlce tom and said i didnt disagree with everything he said. Reading is fundamental.
posted by jmogI won’t type it out due to respect of others and their reaction to it.
I believe Uncle Tom is basically as bad as the N word.
So then they arent the same
posted by geeblockSo then they arent the same
They are both racist, even if you believe one is "more" racist than the other. That's the point.
posted by jmogThey are both racist, even if you believe one is "more" racist than the other. That's the point.
My gay friends have terms they use amongst themselves and the terms would be offensive in many situations, i would never use them, but I also wouldn't begin to tell them not to use them or even comment on it.
posted by geeblockMy gay friends have terms they use amongst themselves and the terms would be offensive in many situations, i would never use them, but I also wouldn't begin to tell them not to use them or even comment on it.
So back to the idea that you can't have an opinion based on your race, ethnicity, sexual preference, etc?
Identity politics and group think are terrible ideas.
I am not black, but I can also have a valid opinion that Uncle Tom and the N word are both wrong and racist.
I am not a lesbian, but I can pretty definitively say that "dike" is rather wrong no matter who uses it.
I could keep going but you get it, even if you are not part of "that community" there are things that are still objectively wrong and you are still allowed to have a valid opinion.
posted by jmogyou can absolutely have an opinion for sureSo back to the idea that you can't have an opinion based on your race, ethnicity, sexual preference, etc?
Identity politics and group think are terrible ideas.
I am not black, but I can also have a valid opinion that Uncle Tom and the N word are both wrong and racist.
I am not a lesbian, but I can pretty definitively say that "dike" is rather wrong no matter who uses it.
I could keep going but you get it, even if you are not part of "that community" there are things that are still objectively wrong and you are still allowed to have a valid opinion.
posted by geeblock
you can absolutely have an opinion for sure
So you don't see how it breaks down bridges and continues to divide people into race/ethnicity if its "ok" for a group of gay men to call each other "faggots" yet those of us that are not gay would never use that world.
Same for the N word, if black men/women call each other that yet would beat the shit out of a white person for calling them that, do you not see how that divides us?
Either its wrong to call someone these names or it is not, period. Right and wrong is not subjective based on the skin color of the person using the word.
posted by jmogNo I don't agree. but its ok for you to feel that way.So you don't see how it breaks down bridges and continues to divide people into race/ethnicity if its "ok" for a group of gay men to call each other "faggots" yet those of us that are not gay would never use that world.
Same for the N word, if black men/women call each other that yet would beat the shit out of a white person for calling them that, do you not see how that divides us?
Either its wrong to call someone these names or it is not, period. Right and wrong is not subjective based on the skin color of the person using the word.
posted by geeblock
No I don't agree. but its ok for you to feel that way.
So you do not believe right/wrong is objective, you believe it is subjective?
Is this in general, or just for derogatory words?
posted by jmogSo you do not believe right/wrong is objective, you believe it is subjective?
Is this in general, or just for derogatory words?
I don't feel the words used in those situations have the same meanings that you attribute to them because you are not a part of that community. Within those communities those words have different meanings and connotations. So objectively I don't think it is wrong.
posted by geeblockI don't feel the words used in those situations have the same meanings that you attribute to them because you are not a part of that community. Within those communities those words have different meanings and connotations. So objectively I don't think it is wrong.
So how do words have different meanings based on the skin color of the person saying the word?
That seems rather odd to me. Words have definitions and meanings that are not fluid/changeable they are concrete stay the same.
If I say "green" and you say "green" the word's meaning doesn't change because our skin color is different. Same with all these derogatory terms. The meaning is the same no matter what the color of the skin of the person saying the word.
