Disgusted with the Biden administration

gut Senior Member
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Sat, Mar 19, 2022 3:01 PM
posted by ernest_t_bass

It was not implied.  Your own perceptions don't equal reality or implication.


One last time.  What teachers pay in vs. what they get out is significantly more than the return non-teachers get out of SS.  100% fact.

gut Senior Member
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Sat, Mar 19, 2022 3:07 PM
posted by ptown_trojans_1

Nope. Never been a fan and he is in no way an actual journalist. He has always written with an anti American slant. 

Being pro-liberty is not the same as anti-American.  His stuff on Snowden and abuses of the Patriotic act absolutely was quality journalism.  That he doesn't write fluff articles doesn't make him anti-American, just a critic.

Like I said, no more of a hack than any other journalist.

iclfan2 Reppin' the 330/216/843
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Sat, Mar 19, 2022 3:35 PM
posted by gut

Like I said, no more of a hack than any other journalist.

There are no longer “journalists”. Just bipartisan hacks. Maybe a handful of real ones, not employed by any of the major networks. An absolute trash profession, but it pays $$.

gut Senior Member
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Sat, Mar 19, 2022 4:37 PM
posted by iclfan2

There are no longer “journalists”. Just bipartisan hacks. Maybe a handful of real ones, not employed by any of the major networks. An absolute trash profession, but it pays $$.

Not sure it pays all that well, LOL.  There are still a few out there, but you almost have to go independent.  The editorial boards at NYT and WaPo kill just about every story that is damaging to the progressive agenda.

Countless examples the past 5-6 years of fake stories getting widespread coverage, and legitimate stories getting killed.  The media has become so unreliable how do you even fact-check or determine what should be flagged as fake news?  Not nearly enough "journalists" doing their own independent verification

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Sat, Mar 19, 2022 5:24 PM
posted by gut

Being pro-liberty is not the same as anti-American.  His stuff on Snowden and abuses of the Patriotic act absolutely was quality journalism.  That he doesn't write fluff articles doesn't make him anti-American, just a critic.

Like I said, no more of a hack than any other journalist.

That is a very rosey way of thinking about his writing. 

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Sat, Mar 19, 2022 5:31 PM
posted by gut

Not sure it pays all that well, LOL.  There are still a few out there, but you almost have to go independent.  The editorial boards at NYT and WaPo kill just about every story that is damaging to the progressive agenda.

Countless examples the past 5-6 years of fake stories getting widespread coverage, and legitimate stories getting killed.  The media has become so unreliable how do you even fact-check or determine what should be flagged as fake news?  Not nearly enough "journalists" doing their own independent verification

There are some out there, but they are rare. I'll also add the gutting of local news has hurt journalism. Your local paper is a shell of itself. 

iclfan2 Reppin' the 330/216/843
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Sat, Mar 19, 2022 7:51 PM
posted by ptown_trojans_1

There are some out there, but they are rare. I'll also add the gutting of local news has hurt journalism. Your local paper is a shell of itself. 

Facts. Unless the story has receipts, I don’t even entertain it. It’s hilarious when for a few days people run with a story that cites “sources” and end up being wrong every time. 


gut Senior Member
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Sat, Mar 19, 2022 7:59 PM
posted by ptown_trojans_1

That is a very rosey way of thinking about his writing. 

I mean, he won awards for the stories I mentioned.  I don't agree with all his stuff, but I find his articles to usually be pretty well sourced and to hold up.

If you're saying his many criticisms of our govt makes him anti-American, I'm going to strongly disagree.

gut Senior Member
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Sat, Mar 19, 2022 8:06 PM
posted by iclfan2

Facts. Unless the story has receipts, I don’t even entertain it. It’s hilarious when for a few days people run with a story that cites “sources” and end up being wrong every time. 


It used to be real facts and legit stories were acknowledged by "the other side" even if it took 2-3 days.  Anything that you couldn't find conceded in both left and right wing sources was suspect.

But that all changed with Trump.  From Russian Collusion to Hunter Biden, the leftwing media has straight up stopped any pretense of objectivity or journalism.

majorspark Senior Member
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Tue, Mar 22, 2022 12:35 PM

Profound.

QuakerOats Senior Member
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Tue, Mar 22, 2022 1:45 PM
posted by ptown_trojans_1

Again, it's funny you pick Greenwald as I'm sure you would have roasted him some years ago as a Marxist. 


I didn't 'pick' anyone; I posted a column about the NY Times trying to come a little clean almost two years after the fact. 


Stop shooting messengers and try to focus on what is actually going on.


Dr Winston O'Boogie Senior Member
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Tue, Mar 22, 2022 2:41 PM
posted by QuakerOats


I didn't 'pick' anyone; I posted a column about the NY Times trying to come a little clean almost two years after the fact. 


Stop shooting messengers and try to focus on what is actually going on.


Here's an honest question...


Hunter Biden is shady as hell, I'll give you that.  I don't see that he's done anything in life except trade on his father's name.  That is pathetic to say the least.  But it is the same shit kids of presidents have seemingly always done.  Reagan's sons, Chelsea Clinton, Obama's girls, Bush's entire family - the list goes on and on.  Eric Trump, Ivanka and Jared live in +$10MM mansions due to business contacts that came from Donald - many while he was in  office.  Jared was given control over US ME foreign policy.  


So why are you so outraged over Hunter, but don't seem to be bothered by Trump's family trading on their father's time in office?  

I didn't vote for Biden and I think Hunter is a sorry case, so my angle is not to excuse them.  They are "swamp" as you'd call it.  But no one has benefitted more from the presidency than Trump's kids.  And who the hell knows where US policy may have been influenced by what would be beneficial to Ivanka, Erik, Jared, etc.

gut Senior Member
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Tue, Mar 22, 2022 3:14 PM

Ted Cruz charting Judge Jackson's sentence reductions in child porn cases.

Really scraping the bottom of the barrel there to stir controversy.

gut Senior Member
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Tue, Mar 22, 2022 3:18 PM
posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

So why are you so outraged over Hunter, but don't seem to be bothered by Trump's family trading on their father's time in office? 

I've said before, these abuses are rampant throughout Congress, and it's why Republicans aren't actually super excited to go after Hunter.

Whatever it was they booked Manafort and Gates on had been an openly ignored violation, and ended up ensnaring a few Obama people.  You could almost feel an "oh shit" moment where there's a scramble to seal that can of worms back up.

iclfan2 Reppin' the 330/216/843
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Tue, Mar 22, 2022 3:42 PM
posted by gut

Ted Cruz charting Judge Jackson's sentence reductions in child porn cases.

Really scraping the bottom of the barrel there to stir controversy.

Ha, that’s the bottom of the barrel? Short memory? She’s going to be appointed anyway, I think it’s fair to get her on record explaining what she chose reduced sentences (compared to the sentencing guidelines) for child porn peddlers. 


QuakerOats Senior Member
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Tue, Mar 22, 2022 4:10 PM
posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

Here's an honest question...


Hunter Biden is shady as hell, I'll give you that.  I don't see that he's done anything in life except trade on his father's name.  That is pathetic to say the least.  But it is the same shit kids of presidents have seemingly always done.  Reagan's sons, Chelsea Clinton, Obama's girls, Bush's entire family - the list goes on and on.  Eric Trump, Ivanka and Jared live in +$10MM mansions due to business contacts that came from Donald - many while he was in  office.  Jared was given control over US ME foreign policy.  


So why are you so outraged over Hunter, but don't seem to be bothered by Trump's family trading on their father's time in office?  

I didn't vote for Biden and I think Hunter is a sorry case, so my angle is not to excuse them.  They are "swamp" as you'd call it.  But no one has benefitted more from the presidency than Trump's kids.  And who the hell knows where US policy may have been influenced by what would be beneficial to Ivanka, Erik, Jared, etc.


I'm pretty sure the Trumps were in (real) business long, long before Donald became president, and were mega-millionaires long, long before Donald became president.  I don't think they had to be, or were involved in shaking down foreign regimes in return for monetary gain.  Given the media's infatuation with all things Trump, we'd have heard all about it.  It is the career politicians and bureaucrats who seemingly have the foreign corruption schemes down to a science, and well beyond the eye of the domestic media (who wouldn't care anyhow since they sleep in the same beds). 

gut Senior Member
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Tue, Mar 22, 2022 4:48 PM
posted by iclfan2

Ha, that’s the bottom of the barrel? Short memory? She’s going to be appointed anyway, I think it’s fair to get her on record explaining what she chose reduced sentences (compared to the sentencing guidelines) for child porn peddlers.

Most of the sentences were reduced 15-20%.  She had the discretion, and the point seemed to be that in other areas, such as drugs, sentencing is considerably different for producers vs. distributors vs. users.  Seemed like a big deal about nothing.
Dr Winston O'Boogie Senior Member
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Tue, Mar 22, 2022 4:50 PM
posted by QuakerOats


I'm pretty sure the Trumps were in (real) business long, long before Donald became president, and were mega-millionaires long, long before Donald became president.  I don't think they had to be, or were involved in shaking down foreign regimes in return for monetary gain.  Given the media's infatuation with all things Trump, we'd have heard all about it.  It is the career politicians and bureaucrats who seemingly have the foreign corruption schemes down to a science, and well beyond the eye of the domestic media (who wouldn't care anyhow since they sleep in the same beds). 

That seems like splitting hairs.  Just because someone's family came into the office with money, it makes it less problematic that they should gain favors with foreign corrupt government (e.g. Ivanka with China) as a direct result of their blood relations?  I agree with you - if Hunter Biden received unearned benefit from his dad's position, it is horrible.  But I think it is extreme naivety to somehow think Trump's any different than the rest.  

Fletch Member
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Tue, Mar 22, 2022 5:27 PM
posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

Here's an honest question...


Hunter Biden is shady as hell, I'll give you that.  I don't see that he's done anything in life except trade on his father's name.  That is pathetic to say the least.  But it is the same shit kids of presidents have seemingly always done.  Reagan's sons, Chelsea Clinton, Obama's girls, Bush's entire family - the list goes on and on.  Eric Trump, Ivanka and Jared live in +$10MM mansions due to business contacts that came from Donald - many while he was in  office.  Jared was given control over US ME foreign policy.  


So why are you so outraged over Hunter, but don't seem to be bothered by Trump's family trading on their father's time in office?  

I didn't vote for Biden and I think Hunter is a sorry case, so my angle is not to excuse them.  They are "swamp" as you'd call it.  But no one has benefitted more from the presidency than Trump's kids.  And who the hell knows where US policy may have been influenced by what would be beneficial to Ivanka, Erik, Jared, etc.

The grift machine that the Bidens are capable of is unprecedented.  As for you comparing other kids of presidents to the drug abusing, hooker loving criminal that Hunter Biden is might be the greatest reach ever on here.

Hunter Biden is a huge POS, if the stories about his computer is real (which they likely are) he should be serving time.

Dr Winston O'Boogie Senior Member
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Tue, Mar 22, 2022 5:31 PM
posted by Fletch

The grift machine that the Bidens are capable of is unprecedented.  As for you comparing other kids of presidents to the drug abusing, hooker loving criminal that Hunter Biden is might be the greatest reach ever on here.

Hunter Biden is a huge POS, if the stories about his computer is real (which they likely are) he should be serving time.

"unprecedented", "greatest reach ever"...


Okay, if you say so.  You make a damn solid argument. 

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