LOCKED: Disgusted with progressives

posted by Heretic

I'm coming off a three-day bender at the local race track so my brain is struggling a bit to process, but it seems to me that a place refusing to serve someone because they're a Trumpian is the same as that cake place not making a cake for a gay couple because of their religious belief. If one sucks, the other sucks; if one is cool, the other is cool. Saying one is different from the other is where bias comes in.

So you agree that the left is being ridiculous in cheering this on while condemning the cake shop owner? Agreed

My problem w the whole situation is that the left thinks Sanders shouldn’t have even mentioned that it happened. I’m all for private business owners doing what they want (which the left is against) but you can bet your ass the free market will have something to say about it.

posted by friendfromlowry

No one here is going to agree with you. 

I agree it is his right to go on a three day bender!

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

If Nazis and hate groups aren’t part of the right, why couldn’t you also say these extreme left groups are not part of the left?  

Maxine Waters just called for more harassment of Trump administration officials.  Now, would you like to re-think this silly little argument of yours?

There are no mainstream Nazi's or hate groups that I'm aware of that have much of a platform.  They only get any coverage at all when the left is using them to portray Republicans as racist, etc...Westboro Baptist Church is about the only recent example I can think of from the right, but this crap from the left is happening on almost a daily basis.  FAR more widespread and mainstream because, look above, the leaders of that party with a platform condone and encourage this behavior.

Another great thing about Trump is he's given these people the excuse to be who they've always been.  But clearly some people still aren't opening their eyes to just how much hate drives the left.

posted by Heretic

I'm coming off a three-day bender at the local race track so my brain is struggling a bit to process, but it seems to me that a place refusing to serve someone because they're a Trumpian is the same as that cake place not making a cake for a gay couple because of their religious belief. If one sucks, the other sucks; if one is cool, the other is cool. Saying one is different from the other is where bias comes in.

I think both business owners are workin their rights to deny service.  I also think the free market can decide which one stays open.

posted by Heretic

...but it seems to me that a place refusing to serve someone because they're a Trumpian is the same as that cake place not making a cake for a gay couple because of their religious belief.

Religion is a protected class.  In many states, sexual preference is not.  Employers and political beliefs are not a protected class, anywhere.

So, yes, with respect to the law the incidents are quite different.

posted by iclfan2

So you agree that the left is being ridiculous in cheering this on while condemning the cake shop owner? Agreed

Lol

posted by gut

Religion is a protected class.  In many states, sexual preference is not.  Employers and political beliefs are not a protected class, anywhere.

So, yes, with respect to the law the incidents are quite different.

Lol

posted by gut

Maxine Waters just called for more harassment of Trump administration officials.  Now, would you like to re-think this silly little argument of yours?

Link to the extreme elected official (also half retarded)

https://twitter.com/realsaavedra/status/1010981944056664064?s=12

From the HuffPo, women are evil!

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/opinion-lenz-evil-women_us_5b2a7597e4b0f0b9e9a7b6d8

posted by gut

Maxine Waters just called for more harassment of Trump administration officials.  Now, would you like to re-think this silly little argument of yours?

There are no mainstream Nazi's or hate groups that I'm aware of that have much of a platform.  They only get any coverage at all when the left is using them to portray Republicans as racist, etc...Westboro Baptist Church is about the only recent example I can think of from the right, but this crap from the left is happening on almost a daily basis.  FAR more widespread and mainstream because, look above, the leaders of that party with a platform condone and encourage this behavior.

Another great thing about Trump is he's given these people the excuse to be who they've always been.  But clearly some people still aren't opening their eyes to just how much hate drives the left.

When Obama was in office, nutty ass people were the subject of frequent stories having to do with how much they hated Obama.  I bet this was described as Obama giving these people the excuse to be who they always were.  If I Right Wing Watch, I will see the world through a lens whereby right wing nut jobs are everywhere and destroying the country.  If I get my stories from Breitbart, I’ll be perpetually angry about the left wing great to our freedom.  Neither of those are real views of the world most all of us live in.  

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

When Obama was in office, nutty ass people were the subject of frequent stories having to do with how much they hated Obama.  I bet this was described as Obama giving these people the excuse to be who they always were.  If I Right Wing Watch, I will see the world through a lens whereby right wing nut jobs are everywhere and destroying the country.  If I get my stories from Breitbart, I’ll be perpetually angry about the left wing great to our freedom.  Neither of those are real views of the world most all of us live in.  

LMFAO.  Such denial and spin.  No one needs to go to Breitbart for this crap, it's all over the mainstream news.  The false equivalency you keep going to is just sad.

Again, where are all the numerous examples of the "right wing nutjobs" harassing liberals at restaurants and their homes, shutting down traffic and interfering with business and commerce?  No, the Nazi's and other hate groups you keep trying to attach to conservatives rarely do that crap.   Where the million swatiska march?

The left is throwing out some really dangerous and inflammatory shit.  We have seeing nothing like this from the right since probably the 80's pro life movement (and you know where that went before we put a stop to it).  Have the honesty to acknowledge it.

posted by gut

LMFAO.  Such denial and spin.  No one needs to go to Breitbart for this crap, it's all over the mainstream news.  The false equivalency you keep going to is just sad.

Again, where are all the numerous examples of the "right wing nutjobs" harassing liberals at restaurants and their homes, shutting down traffic and interfering with business and commerce?  No, the Nazi's and other hate groups you keep trying to attach to conservatives rarely do that crap.   Where the million swatiska march?

The left is throwing out some really dangerous and inflammatory shit.  We have seeing nothing like this from the right since probably the 80's pro life movement (and you know where that went before we put a stop to it).  Have the honesty to acknowledge it.

Let's see - just off the top of my head, protesters outside former Cbus area Congresswoman Mary Jo Kilroy's office throwing money at a counter-protester with Parkinson's and,berating him; John Lewis being called a Nigger during the Obama care Tea Party protests: Barney Frank being called a Faggot, etc. by tea party protesters; Michele Bachmann telling Tea Party Protesters to be Armed and Dangerous and referencing the need for,armed revolution over cap and trade proposals in 2009; Conservative Talk Radio Hosts like Mark Levin and Michael Savage calling for armed revolution against Obama; Sara Palin referencing the need for 2nd Amendment Solutions due to Death Panels; Rep steve King today suggesting that "Fort Sumter is next"

It is quite entertaining. Your endless whining about the hateful rhetoric by left wing nutjobs and minimal whining about Trump's self-imposed blunders almost perfectly matches your penchant to ignore right-wing nut job hysteria and whine about everything Obama ever did.

And with that said let us all remember the right wing frenzy that ensued when Obama got Dijon mustard on a cheeseburger. 

posted by BoatShoes

Let's see - just off the top of my head, protesters outside former Cbus area Congresswoman Mary Jo Kilroy's office throwing money at a counter-protester with Parkinson's and,berating him; John Lewis being called a Nigger during the Obama care Tea Party protests: Barney Frank being called a Faggot, etc. by tea party protesters; Michele Bachmann telling Tea Party Protesters to be Armed and Dangerous and referencing the need for,armed revolution over cap and trade proposals in 2009; Conservative Talk Radio Hosts like Mark Levin and Michael Savage calling for armed revolution against Obama; Sara Palin referencing the need for 2nd Amendment Solutions due to Death Panels; Rep steve King today suggesting that "Fort Sumter is next"

It is quite entertaining. Your endless whining about the hateful rhetoric by left wing nutjobs and minimal whining about Trump's self-imposed blunders almost perfectly matches your penchant to ignore right-wing nut job hysteria and whine about everything Obama ever did.

And with that said let us all remember the right wing frenzy that ensued when Obama got Dijon mustard on a cheeseburger. 

 

I think everybody can safely say that we can go back and forth on stupidass things said by both sides. I do agree that rhetoric can be highly inflammatory and push the nuts into action. 

But I'll play along, BS! Add 12 more incidents to your list above, I'll start with a handicap. It wouldn't add up to the actual physical violence perpetrated by the crazies on the left in the past two years. From bashing people over the head with bike locks, to wolfpacking a man because "he looked conservative", to black bloc attacks (antifa, BAMN, etc.) punching Nazis, to shooting people at baseball practice, I mean the violence done at Berkeley alone in the past two years outnumbers your list plus the 12.

So, yeah, it's really not productive or will lead to anything by going back and forth. It's really a useless endeavor. I will admit, however, that the practice was sometimes amusing to me when Isadore was around and engaged in it lol!

So then we come to the actual question of inflammatory rhetoric vs actual violence and which is worse. I say that physicality is worse, but there can be a case made for the reverse, I guess. Either way, all these things on both sides do is further separate us.

posted by gut

LMFAO.  Such denial and spin.  No one needs to go to Breitbart for this crap, it's all over the mainstream news.  The false equivalency you keep going to is just sad.

Again, where are all the numerous examples of the "right wing nutjobs" harassing liberals at restaurants and their homes, shutting down traffic and interfering with business and commerce?  No, the Nazi's and other hate groups you keep trying to attach to conservatives rarely do that crap.   Where the million swatiska march?

The left is throwing out some really dangerous and inflammatory shit.  We have seeing nothing like this from the right since probably the 80's pro life movement (and you know where that went before we put a stop to it).  Have the honesty to acknowledge it.

I'm not denying anything.  There are plenty of nut jobs on the left with this restaurant owner being the latest example.  There's no "spin" or anything else.  All I'm saying is that labeling one side as nuttier or more dangerous than the other is impossible because there will always be examples on the other that are worse or more obnoxious.  Whoever is in the WH is always going to provoke stories of extreme political fanatics doing stupid things.  What I really challenge though is the idea that these stories are representative of some greater societal movement.  Outside of Washington, most people go about their lives without engaging in anything like this.  When talk radio, 24 cable news and those types of things focus on these stories, they begin to seem like something much greater than they are.  One source picks up or promotes a story, another passes the same thing along.  Next thing you know, it is coming from many different directions and seems like it is much bigger than it is.  

Nut jobs are nut jobs.  There are more more lefties willing to use molotov cocktails, so they're more dangerous.  No, there are more righties who are willing to shoot people, so they're more dangerous.  No, there are more lefties who confront government representatives in public, so they are more dangerous.  No, there are more righties who use religion to politically indoctrinate, so they are more dangerous.  

On and on you can go like you're peeling an onion.  Sure every side wants to believe it is morally above its opponents.  But in reality, this is a fight between very few and the rest of us are getting drawn into watching it and cheering about it when in reality it is insignificant.  

posted by CenterBHSFan

I think everybody can safely say that we can go back and forth on stupidass things said by both sides. I do agree that rhetoric can be highly inflammatory and push the nuts into action. 

But I'll play along, BS! Add 12 more incidents to your list above, I'll start with a handicap. It wouldn't add up to the actual physical violence perpetrated by the crazies on the left in the past two years. From bashing people over the head with bike locks, to wolfpacking a man because "he looked conservative", to black bloc attacks (antifa, BAMN, etc.) punching Nazis, to shooting people at baseball practice, I mean the violence done at Berkeley alone in the past two years outnumbers your list plus the 12.

So, yeah, it's really not productive or will lead to anything by going back and forth. It's really a useless endeavor. I will admit, however, that the practice was sometimes amusing to me when Isadore was around and engaged in it lol!

So then we come to the actual question of inflammatory rhetoric vs actual violence and which is worse. I say that physicality is worse, but there can be a case made for the reverse, I guess. Either way, all these things on both sides do is further separate us.

The main difference to me is one side has the national media to pretty much control the national discussion.   When the right does the shit BS just listed, the media is there to shame them immediately or in some cases tie in an entire group of people with vile behavior (see Charlottesville).   These aren't just random left leaning blogs I am talking about.  This is CNN, NBC, CBS, NYT, etc.

On the flip side, when this shit happens on the left, the same media is nowhere to be found shaming these people.  In fact it is more likely they celebrate it than not.  At the very least they brush it aside.  Has a left leaning source condemned Maxine yet?  The red hen owner?  The DOJ employee harrasing the DHS secretary?  I am legitimately asking, because I don't know and haven't seen it.  Some of you all get rattled by Fox News (disclaimer: i dont watch fox news... just wanted to get that out of the way, before it I am accused of being a Fox News stan), but they aren't even close to ever dominating the national discussion.  I can't think of a time in the last 10 years, where Fox News (or the smaller conservative media outlets) dominated any discussion nationally. Can anyone?  

Just look at how the media covered the POS driver in Charlottesville vs a crazy socialist trying to (and coming very close) commit mass murder on a bunch of GOP congressmen. 

Btw, these two things are not mutually exclusive

-A business should be able to serve anyone they please.

-A business refusing service to somebody is disgraceful behavior (in most cases).

The people who were hysterical over the gay couple not getting their cake, but are celebrating the red hen are hypocrites.  Just like people celebrating the gay baker, but crying the Red Hen should be sued are hypocrites. 

posted by like_that

Some of you all get rattled by Fox News (disclaimer: i dont watch fox news... just wanted to get that out of the way, before it I am accused of being a Fox News stan), but they aren't even close to ever dominating the national discussion.  I can't think of a time in the last 10 years, where Fox News (or the smaller conservative media outlets) dominated any discussion nationally. Can anyone?  

Not necessarily defending FOX here, but have they ever proudly and forcefully coerced an average citizen like a left news organization did? Not asking like_that this question, just asking in general.

 https://www.cnn.com/2017/07/04/politics/kfile-reddit-user-trump-tweet/index.html

CNN is not publishing "HanA**holeSolo's" name because he is a private citizen who has issued an extensive statement of apology, showed his remorse by saying he has taken down all his offending posts, and because he said he is not going to repeat this ugly behavior on social media again. In addition, he said his statement could serve as an example to others not to do the same.

CNN reserves the right to publish his identity should any of that change.

CNN tracked down and threatened to dox this guy, knowing that it could cause him his livelihood at least and physical harm at worst - because of a fucking joke. 

On a separate note, did anybody see that NYU professor who doxxed 1,500+ ICE agents? Imagine taking the time to do all of that. He then sent the info to various antifa groups. 

https://americansecuritytoday.com/nyu-professor-releases-personal-info-1600-ice-agents/

Wouldn't or shouldn't people like this be considered a dangerous liability to universities and colleges?

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/timothymeads/2018/06/24/cbs-poll-51-of-americans-believe-a-border-wall-is-a-good-idea-n2494000

Majority want the wall.

All the while Maxine Watters and other radical Marxists are ramping up harassment and threats.  She/they have literally lost their minds. 

"If you see anybody from that Cabinet — in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station — you get out and you create a crowd. And you push back on them. And you tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere,” implored California Democratic Rep. Maxine Waters at a Saturday rally..."

Imagine if your congressional representative said that about any of obama's cabinet members.  

posted by BoatShoes

Let's see - just off the top of my head, 

More BS, I mean Boatshoes.  Half of that is last week from your friends on the left, and the other half is another false equivalency.  Heck the above doesn't even fill Bill Maher's show each week.

It's not equal and it's not comparable.  The left has lost it's shit.  It's leadership is vile and calling for violence.  There is absolutely no comparison with the Republican Party, aside from Trump.

Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Diane Feinstein, Wasserman-Schultz, Harry Reid, Elizabeth Warren....these are just awful, hateful people.  And they lead the Democrat party (fortunately a few are gone, but a lot of house cleaning left to be done).  Nevermind the nutjob celebs running their mouths.