posted by CenterBHSFanWhy is it our governments responsibility to keep illegal immigrant families together? At what point are the parents of these kids to blame?
Is it a governments role to make or break families? Asking for a friend...
I get what you’re saying but we shouldn’t be separating kids from their families. It’s just not right.
posted by SportsAndLadyI get what you’re saying but we shouldn’t be separating kids from their families. It’s just not right.
Parents shouldn't be willingly breaking the law and separating themselves from their kids and the policy needs to be changed. Both can be right imo.
Thank you. If you don't break the law you have a better chance of staying together as a family.
Build the wall; shut the border crossings down; focus on legal immigration and pathways to citizenship.
And while the policy has been criticized by both Democrats and Republicans (including President Donald Trump himself), the networks have either completely dismissed or mostly ignored the similar policies in place during the Barack Obama years. In fact, the New York Times actually criticized Obama in a July 18, 2016 editorial, “Mr. Obama’s Dubious Detention Centers.”
The Times scolded: “These privately run, unlicensed lockups are no place for children. Or mothers. Their existence belies President Obama’s oft-professed concern for the humane treatment of people fleeing crime and violence in Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador.”
In total the networks devoted just 6 minutes and 29 seconds (barely 3 percent of the coverage) to discussion of Obama’s detaining of children, 1 minute and 37 seconds of which was spent denying the Obama or other past administrations had engaged in policies matching those of the current administration.
By the way, isn't it ironic that the media decided to be outraged about this at exactly the precise time that Comey and the IG are being grilled on Capital Hill over the massive corruption at the FBI and DoJ. Remarkable.
posted by like_thatParents shouldn't be willingly breaking the law and separating themselves from their kids and the policy needs to be changed. Both can be right imo.
I agree with you. Just disagree with the ultra right wing narrative of “this is what they deserve for breaking the law”. I don’t think kids should ever be separated from their parents the way they are at those patrol stations. Both the parents and the border patrol are to blame, neither of them are doing the right thing.
posted by SportsAndLadyI agree with you. Just disagree with the ultra right wing narrative of “this is what they deserve for breaking the law”. I don’t think kids should ever be separated from their parents the way they are at those patrol stations. Both the parents and the border patrol are to blame, neither of them are doing the right thing.
I definitely agree with the bolded. Who should blink first, though?
posted by CenterBHSFanI definitely agree with the bolded. Who should blink first, though?
The one in the assumed position of authority.
You don't punish kids for the crimes of their parents and then tell the parents, "See what you made me/us do?"
10,000 of the 12,000 'kids' were sent to this country, parent-less, by their parents. Yes, you read that right.
The same thing occurred under obama, but the media protected him; while Trump is again trying to clean up problems that should have been solved years ago. It is long past time to fix the illegal immigration problem.
posted by QuakerOats10,000 of the 12,000 'kids' were sent to this country, parent-less, by their parents. Yes, you read that right.
The same thing occurred under obama, but the media protected him; while Trump is again trying to clean up problems that should have been solved years ago. It is long past time to fix the illegal immigration problem.
Lol
posted by QuakerOatsBy the way, isn't it ironic that the media decided to be outraged about this at exactly the precise time that Comey and the IG are being grilled on Capital Hill over the massive corruption at the FBI and DoJ. Remarkable.
yep.....the "manufactured" crisis all started the other day when the White house press room was buzzing about this. CNN Jake Tapper started it all when he blew up and wouldnt shut up. The story made headlines when he pushed the topic. Once the ball kept rolling the media ran with it to stiffle the coverage on IG report.
How many liberals, with a deep pyschological need to be offended and outraged, are going to vote FOR Trump in 2020? It would be like quitting heroin cold turkey - most aren't going to be able to do it.
posted by gutHow many liberals, with a deep pyschological need to be offended and outraged, are going to vote FOR Trump in 2020? It would be like quitting heroin cold turkey - most aren't going to be able to do it.
I don't consider myself a liberal. But I probably won't be voting for Trump in '20. If I did, it would be because he did at least one or two friggen amazing things. So far I have not been wowed. We'll see.
Edit: Added "not" to the above. Somehow left a whole word out.
posted by Spock
Once the ball kept rolling the media ran with it to stiffle the coverage on IG report.
As if Trump could bite his tongue for 24 hours without burping out some other ridiculous distraction of his own. Oh, wait, he already did that yesterday with his Space Farce declaration.
posted by QuakerOats10,000 of the 12,000 'kids' were sent to this country, parent-less, by their parents. Yes, you read that right.
Then there are no parents from which to separate those ones. That's not particularly relevant to the kids who come WITH their parents, but it's never a bad idea to know your same size, I suppose.
posted by QuakerOats
The same thing occurred under obama, but the media protected him; while Trump is again trying to clean up problems that should have been solved years ago. It is long past time to fix the illegal immigration problem.
Obama should have been treated the same way Trump is. No disagreement there.
But the problem is not fixed by a rule whereby kids are forcibly removed from their parents. Trump trying to pass off any responsibility for doing something about it by saying it was the Democrats' law, and that they're the ones who have to fix it, is terrifyingly nonsensical from the POTUS office. The House, Senate, and White House are all currently right-swinging, so they absolutely have the ability to do something about it. They just aren't.
Those seeking asylum can go to a port of entry. Those knowingly illegally entering the country can and will likely be arrested. Similarly, if I illegally break into another's home or business, I will be separated from my kids and incarcerated. These are simple concepts.
posted by Spockyep.....the "manufactured" crisis all started the other day when the White house press room was buzzing about this. CNN Jake Tapper started it all when he blew up and wouldnt shut up. The story made headlines when he pushed the topic. Once the ball kept rolling the media ran with it to stiffle the coverage on IG report.
The fake outrage to divert attention from the corruption at the highest levels of our justice department is literally appalling. Actually it is God damn terrifying.
posted by O-TrapObama should have been treated the same way Trump is. No disagreement there.
The hypocrisy has reached absurd new heights. Modern Family co-creator just said he'll be leaving Fox - the network - for daring to own Fox News (which, they won't own after the sale goes thru).
It's not about fake news or facts or tolerance, because they never say a peep about CNN or MSNBC. Granted, Ingram should be fired already. But the relentless attack on Fox News are because it's basically the only conservative voice on tv. Liberals have demonstrated over and over in recent years they have 0 tolerance for differing views, and they don't want to debate you they want to silence you.
Which, coincidentally, cries out for Libertarian representation on tv. Although I think Fox has a number of contributors who actually identify as Libertarian, and Bill Maher I think used to be a Libertarian before he decided selling out to liberalism was better for his career. I bet you the Libertarian party could take off if it had a 24-hr news channel.
posted by QuakerOatsThe fake outrage to divert attention from the corruption at the highest levels of our justice department is literally appalling. Actually it is God damn terrifying.
The IG said there was no evidence of bias in the investigations. Which for every network not named Fox makes it all a non-story.
Now, I question the "no evidence" thing. And not finding any doesn't mean there is none. But CNN isn't going to unpack that report when the IG concluded no wrongdoing.
I wish I knew if I could trust Gowdy, or if he's just interviewing to replace Sessions as AG.
I assume this will not make the news tonight, since there are some kids crying down at the border.
