posted by QuakerOats
…….because it isn’t. We spend upwards of $150 billion per year on illegal immigrants. If we save half of that going forward, by spending $25 billion on a wall, the payback is 4 months, and the savings over five years exceeds $350 billion. This is the easiest decision in congressional history, except when your personal hatred for Trump causes you to not fulfill your duty to The People.
this x1,000
posted by O-TrapYou forgot people who fly here or who get here through the Canadian border.
We're trying to use a 6000-year-old method strategy against what those supporting it consider a problem (to whatever degree, since, as you mentioned, a lot of this will be pie-in-the-sky estimate work) today.
The wheel and fire are 6,000 years old also.......should we get rid of them? The people that say "walls dont work" are idiots. I bet half of you have privacy fences to keep people out of your yards
Can you answer my question? When you refer to "the wall", what do you mean exactly in terms of area covered, construction, material, etc.?
posted by kizer permanenteI love the idea that QO thinks he can realistically calculate the cost of undocumented people. Since.. you know... they’re undocumented. So any and everything would purely be an estimate. Also.. a wall can’t remove people who are already here. Or people that didn’t come from the southern border. Or people who are paying taxes under fake id’s that would now be taken away. Or... well you get the idea, right?
And spend money pay rent etc.. he acts like they are all on welfare ignoring the majority who come here and work multiple jobs
posted by SpockThe wheel and fire are 6,000 years old also.......should we get rid of them? The people that say "walls dont work" are idiots. I bet half of you have privacy fences to keep people out of your yards
Haha holy shit you’re stupid. People put fences around their yards, that proves a wall will keep out illegals!
If the fence around my backyard fell down tonight I'd for sure have 50-60 people just roaming around my backyard doing whatever they wanted by morning.
posted by SpockThe wheel and fire are 6,000 years old also.......should we get rid of them? The people that say "walls dont work" are idiots. I bet half of you have privacy fences to keep people out of your yards
Fire is older and occurs in nature independent of man. You can't "get rid of" fire.
As for the wheel, it's still around, but it's not the best method of transportation today. Compare it to a plane, and it becomes embarrassing.
Many people probably do have privacy fences. Theyre good for privacy as long as nobody is trying to get in. On the other hand, if somebody IS trying to get in, they're a minor inconvenience.
Anyone who thinks a wall is going to significantly curb the problem is either a fool or a partisan hack. If the latter, they should at least have the decency to stop pretending to have the fiscal responsibility high ground.
posted by O-TrapAs for the wheel, it's still around, but it's not the best method of transportation today. Compare it to a plane, and it becomes embarrassing.
You do realize that most planes still use wheels to take-off and land?
posted by gutYou do realize that most planes still use wheels to take-off and land?
I also think you realize no one takes an airplane for the few moments it uses its wheels.. but whatever.
posted by SpockThe wheel and fire are 6,000 years old also.......should we get rid of them? The people that say "walls dont work" are idiots. I bet half of you have privacy fences to keep people out of your yards
I sometimes find myself a bit in awe of just how free of logical points and intellect your posts are, this being a prime example. Comparing a natural force of nature that man has learned to control (to a degree, still tons of incidents involving people accidentally burning something down) to a man-made wall? GREAT! Comparing a fucking store-bought privacy fence to something that is to be designed to (in theory) actually keep people out of a country. GENIUS! Although, with how flawed the concept of this wall is, comparing it to a privacy fence might actually be logical. Both keep a person from seeing what's on the other side and both can easily be circumvented with a bit of effort if a person truly does desire to get to the other side.
posted by kizer permanenteI love the idea that QO thinks he can realistically calculate the cost of undocumented people. Since.. you know... they’re undocumented. So any and everything would purely be an estimate. Also.. a wall can’t remove people who are already here. Or people that didn’t come from the southern border. Or people who are paying taxes under fake id’s that would now be taken away. Or... well you get the idea, right?
Lord, where to begin. There are a plethora of cost estimates related to the illegal immigration crisis. Medical costs, educations costs, welfare costs, housing costs, border security costs, and on and on and on. Many of the estimates are in the $150 billion per year range. Then there are the opportunity costs that are not even factored into those costs, which could easily be in the tens of billions on top of the $150 billion. So pick a number to apply to the wall - $5 billion, $25 billion, $50 billion …any of them have a 1 year payback or less, not even counting the elimination of future costs that will continue to skyrocket so long as we do nothing now and continue to kick the can down the road.
The Wall --- obviously it will not be a solid concrete/steel wall the entire length of the southern border, contrary to the absurd noise from the left trying to pin that on those in favor of a wall. ‘The wall’ will be built in segments in areas where it makes the most sense, and in areas where other means of deterrence to entry work better, different solutions will be used. Pick any of hundreds of border chiefs and agents and they will tell you that such a ‘wall’ will be of huge importance in stemming the invasion. This is not rocket science; this is something nearly every democrat supported, that is, before Trump was elected.
Ending this crisis and solving this problem for the long-term will save taxpayers hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars. There is no more time to waste; it is long, long past time to act.
posted by friendfromlowryIf the fence around my backyard fell down tonight I'd for sure have 50-60 people just roaming around my backyard doing whatever they wanted by morning.
Ahh, the old not-in-my-backyard comment .... not yet, anyway.
posted by QuakerOats
Lord, where to begin. There are a plethora of cost estimates related to the illegal immigration crisis. Medical costs, educations costs, welfare costs, housing costs, border security costs, and on and on and on. Many of the estimates are in the $150 billion per year range. Then there are the opportunity costs that are not even factored into those costs, which could easily be in the tens of billions on top of the $150 billion. So pick a number to apply to the wall - $5 billion, $25 billion, $50 billion …any of them have a 1 year payback or less, not even counting the elimination of future costs that will continue to skyrocket so long as we do nothing now and continue to kick the can down the road.
The Wall --- obviously it will not be a solid concrete/steel wall the entire length of the southern border, contrary to the absurd noise from the left trying to pin that on those in favor of a wall. ‘The wall’ will be built in segments in areas where it makes the most sense, and in areas where other means of deterrence to entry work better, different solutions will be used. Pick any of hundreds of border chiefs and agents and they will tell you that such a ‘wall’ will be of huge importance in stemming the invasion. This is not rocket science; this is something nearly every democrat supported, that is, before Trump was elected.
Ending this crisis and solving this problem for the long-term will save taxpayers hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars. There is no more time to waste; it is long, long past time to act.
My point is you can’t calculate your roi off estimates. Which you seem to be perfectly willing to do. You sound like every cold call salesman I’ve ever dealt with. Is that your profession by chance ?
I don't see how a wall addresses all the people that are already here?
Also, how would it address all the people that turn themselves in to DHS at the border for political asylum?
Gee it would seem actually fixing the immigration system would be a better option than a multi billion dollar wall.
posted by QuakerOats
Lord, where to begin. There are a plethora of cost estimates related to the illegal immigration crisis. Medical costs, educations costs, welfare costs, housing costs, border security costs, and on and on and on. Many of the estimates are in the $150 billion per year range. Then there are the opportunity costs that are not even factored into those costs, which could easily be in the tens of billions on top of the $150 billion. So pick a number to apply to the wall - $5 billion, $25 billion, $50 billion …any of them have a 1 year payback or less, not even counting the elimination of future costs that will continue to skyrocket so long as we do nothing now and continue to kick the can down the road.
The Wall --- obviously it will not be a solid concrete/steel wall the entire length of the southern border, contrary to the absurd noise from the left trying to pin that on those in favor of a wall. ‘The wall’ will be built in segments in areas where it makes the most sense, and in areas where other means of deterrence to entry work better, different solutions will be used. Pick any of hundreds of border chiefs and agents and they will tell you that such a ‘wall’ will be of huge importance in stemming the invasion. This is not rocket science; this is something nearly every democrat supported, that is, before Trump was elected.
Ending this crisis and solving this problem for the long-term will save taxpayers hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars. There is no more time to waste; it is long, long past time to act.
Welfare and housing require a social security number. I’ll give u the medical cost I guess
posted by geeblockWelfare and housing require a social security number.
LOL...as if a fake SSN is hard to get.
posted by kizer permanenteI also think you realize no one takes an airplane for the few moments it uses its wheels.. but whatever.
Ummm, the wheel is kind of super critical to the function of that airplane. Without it, air travel wouldn't be remotely cheap or accessible.
posted by gutUmmm, the wheel is kind of super critical to the function of that airplane. Without it, air travel wouldn't be remotely cheap or accessible.
Ok. yes it's super critical. And not at all relating to the point o-trp was making. But you're very right. good job.
The wheels function and a walls function in comparison is that They both work effectively
posted by kizer permanenteOk. yes it's super critical. And not at all relating to the point o-trp was making. But you're very right. good job.
No, O-trap's point was a bad one. The wheel is not obsolete or even dated - it's practically timeless. The wheel is part of the plane, a critical part. There's essentially no airplane without the wheel, so the analogy was a failed one.
Anyway, it was a joke that was also a valid point....both of which continue to sail over your head.
